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September 15, 2006

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Mike O

Thanks for the explanation. That helps a lot. Probably the biggest difference in my approach to scripture is this statement:

In your 5th bullet point, you say: "Where similar texts occur, the meaning in one case determines the meaning in the other."

I disagree, and that's fine. It's good to know your position on things.

Our conclusions regarding the divinity of Christ also differ to the extreme, but I'm not talking about that here. Our approach appears to be very similar, except for the one point. And that strikes me as very interesting.

mattaniah

While both Jews and Christians base their arguments on the same material from the Old Testament.HAVE DONE 33 YRS RESEARCH ABOUT THE MESSIAH and The Hebrew MOSHIACH MELECH DAVID/
First Born from the DEAD /The SOUL of King DAVID /HEAD OF A NEW CREATION /After the RESURRECTION /
YHVH gave Him a NAME Above Any OTHER NAME THE NAME YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH



Thank You for this BLOG
"Messiah" is the Hebrew for "Anointed," who is David, the "Messiah of the God of Jacob," (2 Sam. 23:1,) King of Israel. "Christos" is the Greek for "Anointed," who is the Savior, it is said, of the Gentiles. We can clearly see, from the language in which originated these two different Messiahs, the first in and from the Hebrew mashiach, and the second from the Greek Christos, from whence they first had their rise; so whichever of the two was literally anointed, that, and that one only, can be the only True Messiah of God.
"Is it easier for heaven and earth to pass away than one jot or tittle of the Law to fail?" If so, the Law was fulfilled in the literal anointing of King David, which alone constituted him the Messiah, as David declared in 2 Sam. 23:1. "Now these be the words of David: David the son of Jesse, and the man who was raised up on high, the Anointed (the Messiah) of the God of Jacob, and the sweet Psalmist of Israel."Now I have not only proved that David was the Messiah, by the only act that can constitute any one the Anointed, but I shall now prove, that he will be Israel's King and Messiah at the Resurrection from the dead, as is declared in the 37th chap. of Ezekiel, and from many other places; and if so, who has any right to lay claim to David's Identity, as the Messiah, when we are assured by God's word and Holy Spirit, that he was a "man after God's own heart," (1 Sam. 13:14,) and that "his heart was perfect with the Lord his God." See 1 Kings 11:4. Most assuredly if this be true concerning David, he never transferred his Identity to any other person after him, as the Messiah of God, neither did he ever forfeit it.In the 37th chap. of Ezek. above alluded to, the prophet, after describing the literal Resurrection of the whole house of Israel in the first five verses, goes on in the 6th and says, "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord." In the 21st verse he says, "Thus saith the Lord God, Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel; and one King shall be King to them all, and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two Kingdoms any more at all; and David my servant shall be King over them--(not the Nazarene, for particularly mark, there is to be but ONE "King over them all,) and they shall all have ONE shepherd; they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes and do them."In the 34th chap. of the same prophet, it is declared in the 22d., 23d and 24th verses, "Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. And I will set up One Shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David, he shall feed them, and he shall be their Shepherd. And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it." Is it possible for language to be more clear and definite in declaring that David is to be Israel's King and Messiah in that day? This, however, is but a very small part of the Scripture testimony in favor of the coming in power of the Holy King, Priest, and Prophet, and Messiah of God, at the Resurrection from the dead.In the 30th Chapter of Jeremiah, 7th, 8th and 9th verses, it expressly and most positively declares the time when God will raise up David unto them. "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it, it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.""For it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, saith the Lord of Hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, (compare this with Isaiah 9:4 and 6, for this is the time when 'unto us a child is born,') and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their King (not Jesus), whom I will raise up unto them."Hosea 3:4 and 5, confirms David, and not another being Israel's King, for he says, "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a King, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim (as is now the case), afterward shall the children of Israel return and seek the Lord their God, and David their King, (whom Jeremiah has just said "God would raise up to them,") "and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days," and not 1800 years ago.Zech. 12:8, forever settles this most important question, and declares most clearly and plainly, that it is David: "In that day (when God 'saves the tents of Judah first,' see the verse before,) shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them." What then must David, their King, Prophet, Priest and Messiah, be?Psalm 16:9,10, taken in connection with the 18th chap. and 89th chap. 19-38 verses, throws all the necessary light required upon this most important question. The Psalm 16. 9th and 10th verses, reads thus: "Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices, my flesh shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thy 'Holy One' (see verses 19 and 20 of the 89. Psalm, who this 'Holy One' is, whether David or Jesus,) to see Corruption." I challenge the world to test the truth of this last assertion, by visiting the Tomb of David, where I have been, and then they will know whether David's Body has "seen corruption" or not. The Psalm, 18,* shows us not only the Who, but also the manner of the resurrection of David.David begins this Psalm by addressing God thus, "I will love Thee, O Lord, my strength. The Lord is my rock and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength in whom I trust; my buckler and the horn of my salvation, and my high Tower."I will call upon the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from my enemies. The sorrows of death compassed me and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid. The sorrows of hell (Hades or the Grave) compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me." Here we see David, after addressing God and calling upon him in the first three verses, then in the two last described his state in the Grave, compassed by the sorrows and snares of death, and them immediately in the next verse shows, that in this, his distress, he cried unto God, and he heard his voice out of his temple. He then shows immediately the manner in which he will come at his resurrection, and this he speaks of himself, in the first person, and not of any one else in the second person. Please mark this, "In my distress I called upon the Lord and cried unto my God; he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him even into his ears." Now for the manner and circumstances that will attend David's Resurrection and coming as follows: "Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he (God) was wroth." "There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it." "He bowed the heavens and came down, and darkness was under his feet." Now any unprepossessed and unprejudiced person can see that David is here speaking of God, and not of Jesus. So with what follows: "He bowed the heavens and came down, and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub and did fly, yea he rode upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place: his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.""At the brightness that was before him, his thick clouds passed hailstones and coals of fire. The Lord (Ad-nai) also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hailstones and coals of fire." Yea, "he sent out his arrows and scattered them, and he shot out lightnings and discomfited them." "Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the earth were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils." Now it will be admitted by all hands, that David has been speaking thus far of God in the second person, but now in the next verse he speaks of himself in the first person, and not of Jesus or of another in the second person.16. "He sent from above, he took me, (not him,) he drew me out of many waters.17. "He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me, for they were too strong for me.18. "They prevented me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my stay."19. "He brought me forth into a large place, he delivered me because he delighted in me.20. "The Lord rewarded me according to my Righteousness The above is a full declaration of the shame and confusion of the enemies to David's Messiahship, and of the joy and gladness of the friends to him and his righteous cause.We will now turn our attention to the 89th Psalm, 19 to 38th verse, where we will have a full proof not only of David's Messiahship, but also who is the "Holy One" mentioned in Psa. 16:10."For thou wilt not leave MY soul in hell, (i.e. Hades, or the Grave;) neither wilt thou suffer thy Holy One to see corruption," which last God has never suffered David to do, until this day, as facts prove. Psa. 89:19: "Then thou spoke in vision to thy Holy One, and said, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one Chosen (see 1 Sam. 16:6-14) out of the people."20. "I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: made him my Messiah (see 1 Sam. 16:12, 13.)21. "With whom my hand shall be established; mine arm shall strengthen him."22. "The enemy shall not exact upon him, nor the son of wickedness afflict him." Did not the enemy exact upon and afflict Jesus? Surely Christians say the enemy did.23. "And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him."24. "But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him; and in my name shall his horn be exalted."25. "I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers."26. "He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation."27. "I will make him my First Born, higher than the Kings of the earth."28. "My Mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him."29. "His seed also will I make to endure forever, and his throne as the days of heaven."30. "If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my Judgments;"31. "If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;"32. "Then I will visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquities with stripes."33. "Nevertheless my loving-kindness I will not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail." Is this the language of the Gospel? Nay verily, but it is the very language of the Law to Israel.34. "My Covenant will I not break, (for the Father's sake, ) nor alter the thing that has gone out of my lips:" see Jer. 33:20 and 21, and 31:35-38.35. "Once have I sworn by my holiness, that I will not lie unto David."36. "His seed shall endure forever, and his Throne as the Sun before me."37. "It shall be established forever as the Moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah."Now in this Psalm is a full and unconditional guarantee of the Messiahship from God to David, and that confirmed by the oath of God's holiness, unto David. See verse 36. That promise is not to be merely during the term of his natural life, and limited, and then broken off by death; it is true, it is suspended, or in abeyance while the "sorrows of Hades, or the grave, compass him, and the snares (or bands) of death prevent him." (see Psa. 18:5;) but his "voice will God hear in the morning, O Lord, in the morning (of the Resurrection) will I (he) direct his prayer unto God, and will look up." Psa. v. 3. Then will David's "seed endure forever, and his Throne as the sun before God." There is but one possible way to evade and destroy these promises of a Faithful, unchangeable God to David; and that is by the unwarrantable and unjustifiable transfer of David's person and name, that is, of his Identity, to Jesus of Nazareth, changing all the pronouns from the first to the second person--the I to the He, the my to his, me to him, and mine to thine. Permit me to ask, what property, title, or claim under heaven, could we not obtain by such a transfer in any court of justice? Only transfer the pronouns in any instrument from the first to the second person, and there is no claim that could be substantiated for a moment: it would be a complete forfeiture. But this I can prove from the Word of God, David never did, neither did God ever do it; as the above Psalm (the 89th) proves, and nearly all the other Psalms, particularly the 18th, where the Church of Rome first took the same small liberty of transferring David's Messiahship as King, Priest, and Prophet, to Jesus of Nazareth. This they have done, and Protestants too, by a single blow, by making a transfer of the first personal pronouns to the second person; thus effecting a complete change of David's Identity to Jesus. Are Christians aware of the dreadful dilemma they have brought themselves unavoidably into, of giving Jesus his own body and that of David's body too, and leaving poor David without any body at all? For all Identity is dependent upon our distinct Body, or Personality, and no other person dare claim it, or every Christian who transfers and robs David of his own Identity, or Personality, and makes it over to Jesus; no matter whether he does it by claiming his Identical personality or Individuality, or by transferring the first personal pronoun to the second, or by assuming David's name and applying it to Jesus, it carries its own condemnation in every act, upon the very face of it.I shall now, for the sake of elucidating, divide David's whole career into three parts, or segments of a circle, embracing his Life, Death, and Resurrection , and under each place some of the Psalms or prophecies which are alone applicable to David in that state. I will begin by introducing that beautiful and descriptive prophecy declared in 2d. Sam. 7:19, which I think was intended to grasp David's whole time in Life, Death, and Immortality, or in the Resurrection. He says as follows: "And this was yet a small thing in thy sight, O Lord God; but thou hast spoken also of thy servant's house, for a great while to come, I am aware that there are two or three texts in the prophets that at first sight, without a sufficient degree of thought and knowledge, tend to lead us to suppose, that because the word "Branch" is used, it will be a Son of David, and not David himself. But let us impartially and carefully examine the word "Branch," and see if it has not reference to the resurrection Body of David only, not to a Son of David. Look at Isa. 11:1--"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch from Jesse, we know is David; indeed the original implies, and as a very wise man observes, "it looks as if it were intended to intimate that the Tree itself would be cut down, or that the power of David's family would be for some time extinct, but it would revive in 'the Latter Days," or "Last Days." Now this is strictly true, and is exactly what I want to set forth, that in the Resurrection, the "Branch," or "Stem," or Shoot, from Jesse, the "root," from which is David, and which, although apparently "is cut down," or "for some time extinct, by Death," in "the Latter days" God would raise up that Glorious "Branch," or Stem, or Shoot, from the Root or Stem of Jesse; which will be the identical Body of David, in all the strength and beauty of the Resurrection Body. See Isa. 4:2.
Jer. 33:16, it is declared "He, David, shall be called the Lord our Righteousness;" and this is the righteous "Branch" that God will raise unto or "raise up" unto David, exactly the same word as is used by God through the mouth of the same Prophet, in chap. 30:9."And they shall serve the Lord their God and David their King, whom I will raise up unto them." Here then there can be no mistake who the "Branch" is that is to be "raised unto," or "raised up," to David, because we have God's own words for it.
Now here is an expression whereby we are certain it is David, that is, the "Branch," because we are assured in the 89th Psa. 35th and 36th verses, that God hath "once sworn by his holiness that he will not lie unto David," that "his seed shall endure forever, and," mark "His Throne as the sun before him." In the 18th verse of the 132d. Psalm God declares, "His enemies will I clothe with shame, but upon himself shall his crown flourish." O how blind have Christians been in permitting the sacrilege of the Church of Rome, in robbing David of his Crown by giving it to another.But if there were not another text, then the two I shall now quote from Zech. 12:8, and Ezek. 37:22 and 24, would be all-sufficient to prove, first, that David shall be the Messiah. "In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them; and 2dly, that after the resurrection of the Dry "Bones of the whole house of Israel," as is declared in verse 11, then in verse 22, it shows us who is to be King, and consequently whose is the Throne and upon whom the "Crown is to flourish;" and if so, it can never be transferred to another without sacrilege.Ezek. 37. 22d. and 24th verses." He did so, and mind, says I, "if you believe in the literal interpretation only, you must not spiritualize the Word David, nor Israel." He promised he would not. I then read to him these words, "And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and One King shall be King to them all, and they shall be no more two nations; neither shall they be divided into two Kingdoms (as is now the case) any more at all; And David my servant shall be King over them, and they shall have One Shepherd: and they shall walk in my judgments and observe my statutes, and do them." And this is the truth and the end thus far of the matter.
SHALOM ALEICHEM
MATTANIAH 3 Nov 2007

mattaniah

While both Jews and Christians base their arguments on the same material from the Old Testament.HAVE DONE 33 YRS RESEARCH ABOUT THE MESSIAH and The Hebrew MOSHIACH MELECH DAVID/
First Born from the DEAD /The SOUL of King DAVID /HEAD OF A NEW CREATION /After the RESURRECTION /
YHVH gave Him a NAME Above Any OTHER NAME THE NAME YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH



Thank You for this BLOG
"Messiah" is the Hebrew for "Anointed," who is David, the "Messiah of the God of Jacob," (2 Sam. 23:1,) King of Israel. "Christos" is the Greek for "Anointed," who is the Savior, it is said, of the Gentiles. We can clearly see, from the language in which originated these two different Messiahs, the first in and from the Hebrew mashiach, and the second from the Greek Christos, from whence they first had their rise; so whichever of the two was literally anointed, that, and that one only, can be the only True Messiah of God.
"Is it easier for heaven and earth to pass away than one jot or tittle of the Law to fail?" If so, the Law was fulfilled in the literal anointing of King David, which alone constituted him the Messiah, as David declared in 2 Sam. 23:1. "Now these be the words of David: David the son of Jesse, and the man who was raised up on high, the Anointed (the Messiah) of the God of Jacob, and the sweet Psalmist of Israel."Now I have not only proved that David was the Messiah, by the only act that can constitute any one the Anointed, but I shall now prove, that he will be Israel's King and Messiah at the Resurrection from the dead, as is declared in the 37th chap. of Ezekiel, and from many other places; and if so, who has any right to lay claim to David's Identity, as the Messiah, when we are assured by God's word and Holy Spirit, that he was a "man after God's own heart," (1 Sam. 13:14,) and that "his heart was perfect with the Lord his God." See 1 Kings 11:4. Most assuredly if this be true concerning David, he never transferred his Identity to any other person after him, as the Messiah of God, neither did he ever forfeit it.In the 37th chap. of Ezek. above alluded to, the prophet, after describing the literal Resurrection of the whole house of Israel in the first five verses, goes on in the 6th and says, "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord." In the 21st verse he says, "Thus saith the Lord God, Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel; and one King shall be King to them all, and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two Kingdoms any more at all; and David my servant shall be King over them--(not the Nazarene, for particularly mark, there is to be but ONE "King over them all,) and they shall all have ONE shepherd; they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes and do them."In the 34th chap. of the same prophet, it is declared in the 22d., 23d and 24th verses, "Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. And I will set up One Shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David, he shall feed them, and he shall be their Shepherd. And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it." Is it possible for language to be more clear and definite in declaring that David is to be Israel's King and Messiah in that day? This, however, is but a very small part of the Scripture testimony in favor of the coming in power of the Holy King, Priest, and Prophet, and Messiah of God, at the Resurrection from the dead.In the 30th Chapter of Jeremiah, 7th, 8th and 9th verses, it expressly and most positively declares the time when God will raise up David unto them. "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it, it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.""For it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, saith the Lord of Hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, (compare this with Isaiah 9:4 and 6, for this is the time when 'unto us a child is born,') and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their King (not Jesus), whom I will raise up unto them."Hosea 3:4 and 5, confirms David, and not another being Israel's King, for he says, "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a King, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim (as is now the case), afterward shall the children of Israel return and seek the Lord their God, and David their King, (whom Jeremiah has just said "God would raise up to them,") "and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days," and not 1800 years ago.Zech. 12:8, forever settles this most important question, and declares most clearly and plainly, that it is David: "In that day (when God 'saves the tents of Judah first,' see the verse before,) shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them." What then must David, their King, Prophet, Priest and Messiah, be?Psalm 16:9,10, taken in connection with the 18th chap. and 89th chap. 19-38 verses, throws all the necessary light required upon this most important question. The Psalm 16. 9th and 10th verses, reads thus: "Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices, my flesh shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thy 'Holy One' (see verses 19 and 20 of the 89. Psalm, who this 'Holy One' is, whether David or Jesus,) to see Corruption." I challenge the world to test the truth of this last assertion, by visiting the Tomb of David, where I have been, and then they will know whether David's Body has "seen corruption" or not. The Psalm, 18,* shows us not only the Who, but also the manner of the resurrection of David.David begins this Psalm by addressing God thus, "I will love Thee, O Lord, my strength. The Lord is my rock and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength in whom I trust; my buckler and the horn of my salvation, and my high Tower."I will call upon the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from my enemies. The sorrows of death compassed me and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid. The sorrows of hell (Hades or the Grave) compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me." Here we see David, after addressing God and calling upon him in the first three verses, then in the two last described his state in the Grave, compassed by the sorrows and snares of death, and them immediately in the next verse shows, that in this, his distress, he cried unto God, and he heard his voice out of his temple. He then shows immediately the manner in which he will come at his resurrection, and this he speaks of himself, in the first person, and not of any one else in the second person. Please mark this, "In my distress I called upon the Lord and cried unto my God; he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him even into his ears." Now for the manner and circumstances that will attend David's Resurrection and coming as follows: "Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he (God) was wroth." "There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it." "He bowed the heavens and came down, and darkness was under his feet." Now any unprepossessed and unprejudiced person can see that David is here speaking of God, and not of Jesus. So with what follows: "He bowed the heavens and came down, and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub and did fly, yea he rode upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place: his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.""At the brightness that was before him, his thick clouds passed hailstones and coals of fire. The Lord (Ad-nai) also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hailstones and coals of fire." Yea, "he sent out his arrows and scattered them, and he shot out lightnings and discomfited them." "Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the earth were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils." Now it will be admitted by all hands, that David has been speaking thus far of God in the second person, but now in the next verse he speaks of himself in the first person, and not of Jesus or of another in the second person.16. "He sent from above, he took me, (not him,) he drew me out of many waters.17. "He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me, for they were too strong for me.18. "They prevented me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my stay."19. "He brought me forth into a large place, he delivered me because he delighted in me.20. "The Lord rewarded me according to my Righteousness The above is a full declaration of the shame and confusion of the enemies to David's Messiahship, and of the joy and gladness of the friends to him and his righteous cause.We will now turn our attention to the 89th Psalm, 19 to 38th verse, where we will have a full proof not only of David's Messiahship, but also who is the "Holy One" mentioned in Psa. 16:10."For thou wilt not leave MY soul in hell, (i.e. Hades, or the Grave;) neither wilt thou suffer thy Holy One to see corruption," which last God has never suffered David to do, until this day, as facts prove. Psa. 89:19: "Then thou spoke in vision to thy Holy One, and said, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one Chosen (see 1 Sam. 16:6-14) out of the people."20. "I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: made him my Messiah (see 1 Sam. 16:12, 13.)21. "With whom my hand shall be established; mine arm shall strengthen him."22. "The enemy shall not exact upon him, nor the son of wickedness afflict him." Did not the enemy exact upon and afflict Jesus? Surely Christians say the enemy did.23. "And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him."24. "But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him; and in my name shall his horn be exalted."25. "I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers."26. "He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation."27. "I will make him my First Born, higher than the Kings of the earth."28. "My Mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him."29. "His seed also will I make to endure forever, and his throne as the days of heaven."30. "If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my Judgments;"31. "If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;"32. "Then I will visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquities with stripes."33. "Nevertheless my loving-kindness I will not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail." Is this the language of the Gospel? Nay verily, but it is the very language of the Law to Israel.34. "My Covenant will I not break, (for the Father's sake, ) nor alter the thing that has gone out of my lips:" see Jer. 33:20 and 21, and 31:35-38.35. "Once have I sworn by my holiness, that I will not lie unto David."36. "His seed shall endure forever, and his Throne as the Sun before me."37. "It shall be established forever as the Moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah."Now in this Psalm is a full and unconditional guarantee of the Messiahship from God to David, and that confirmed by the oath of God's holiness, unto David. See verse 36. That promise is not to be merely during the term of his natural life, and limited, and then broken off by death; it is true, it is suspended, or in abeyance while the "sorrows of Hades, or the grave, compass him, and the snares (or bands) of death prevent him." (see Psa. 18:5;) but his "voice will God hear in the morning, O Lord, in the morning (of the Resurrection) will I (he) direct his prayer unto God, and will look up." Psa. v. 3. Then will David's "seed endure forever, and his Throne as the sun before God." There is but one possible way to evade and destroy these promises of a Faithful, unchangeable God to David; and that is by the unwarrantable and unjustifiable transfer of David's person and name, that is, of his Identity, to Jesus of Nazareth, changing all the pronouns from the first to the second person--the I to the He, the my to his, me to him, and mine to thine. Permit me to ask, what property, title, or claim under heaven, could we not obtain by such a transfer in any court of justice? Only transfer the pronouns in any instrument from the first to the second person, and there is no claim that could be substantiated for a moment: it would be a complete forfeiture. But this I can prove from the Word of God, David never did, neither did God ever do it; as the above Psalm (the 89th) proves, and nearly all the other Psalms, particularly the 18th, where the Church of Rome first took the same small liberty of transferring David's Messiahship as King, Priest, and Prophet, to Jesus of Nazareth. This they have done, and Protestants too, by a single blow, by making a transfer of the first personal pronouns to the second person; thus effecting a complete change of David's Identity to Jesus. Are Christians aware of the dreadful dilemma they have brought themselves unavoidably into, of giving Jesus his own body and that of David's body too, and leaving poor David without any body at all? For all Identity is dependent upon our distinct Body, or Personality, and no other person dare claim it, or every Christian who transfers and robs David of his own Identity, or Personality, and makes it over to Jesus; no matter whether he does it by claiming his Identical personality or Individuality, or by transferring the first personal pronoun to the second, or by assuming David's name and applying it to Jesus, it carries its own condemnation in every act, upon the very face of it.I shall now, for the sake of elucidating, divide David's whole career into three parts, or segments of a circle, embracing his Life, Death, and Resurrection , and under each place some of the Psalms or prophecies which are alone applicable to David in that state. I will begin by introducing that beautiful and descriptive prophecy declared in 2d. Sam. 7:19, which I think was intended to grasp David's whole time in Life, Death, and Immortality, or in the Resurrection. He says as follows: "And this was yet a small thing in thy sight, O Lord God; but thou hast spoken also of thy servant's house, for a great while to come, I am aware that there are two or three texts in the prophets that at first sight, without a sufficient degree of thought and knowledge, tend to lead us to suppose, that because the word "Branch" is used, it will be a Son of David, and not David himself. But let us impartially and carefully examine the word "Branch," and see if it has not reference to the resurrection Body of David only, not to a Son of David. Look at Isa. 11:1--"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch from Jesse, we know is David; indeed the original implies, and as a very wise man observes, "it looks as if it were intended to intimate that the Tree itself would be cut down, or that the power of David's family would be for some time extinct, but it would revive in 'the Latter Days," or "Last Days." Now this is strictly true, and is exactly what I want to set forth, that in the Resurrection, the "Branch," or "Stem," or Shoot, from Jesse, the "root," from which is David, and which, although apparently "is cut down," or "for some time extinct, by Death," in "the Latter days" God would raise up that Glorious "Branch," or Stem, or Shoot, from the Root or Stem of Jesse; which will be the identical Body of David, in all the strength and beauty of the Resurrection Body. See Isa. 4:2.
Jer. 33:16, it is declared "He, David, shall be called the Lord our Righteousness;" and this is the righteous "Branch" that God will raise unto or "raise up" unto David, exactly the same word as is used by God through the mouth of the same Prophet, in chap. 30:9."And they shall serve the Lord their God and David their King, whom I will raise up unto them." Here then there can be no mistake who the "Branch" is that is to be "raised unto," or "raised up," to David, because we have God's own words for it.
Now here is an expression whereby we are certain it is David, that is, the "Branch," because we are assured in the 89th Psa. 35th and 36th verses, that God hath "once sworn by his holiness that he will not lie unto David," that "his seed shall endure forever, and," mark "His Throne as the sun before him." In the 18th verse of the 132d. Psalm God declares, "His enemies will I clothe with shame, but upon himself shall his crown flourish." O how blind have Christians been in permitting the sacrilege of the Church of Rome, in robbing David of his Crown by giving it to another.But if there were not another text, then the two I shall now quote from Zech. 12:8, and Ezek. 37:22 and 24, would be all-sufficient to prove, first, that David shall be the Messiah. "In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them; and 2dly, that after the resurrection of the Dry "Bones of the whole house of Israel," as is declared in verse 11, then in verse 22, it shows us who is to be King, and consequently whose is the Throne and upon whom the "Crown is to flourish;" and if so, it can never be transferred to another without sacrilege.Ezek. 37. 22d. and 24th verses." He did so, and mind, says I, "if you believe in the literal interpretation only, you must not spiritualize the Word David, nor Israel." He promised he would not. I then read to him these words, "And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and One King shall be King to them all, and they shall be no more two nations; neither shall they be divided into two Kingdoms (as is now the case) any more at all; And David my servant shall be King over them, and they shall have One Shepherd: and they shall walk in my judgments and observe my statutes, and do them." And this is the truth and the end thus far of the matter.
SHALOM ALEICHEM
MATTANIAH 3 Nov 2007

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While both Jews and Christians base their arguments on the same material from the Old Testament.HAVE DONE 33 YRS RESEARCH ABOUT THE MESSIAH and The Hebrew MOSHIACH MELECH DAVID/
First Born from the DEAD /The SOUL of King DAVID /HEAD OF A NEW CREATION /After the RESURRECTION /
YHVH gave Him a NAME Above Any OTHER NAME THE NAME YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH



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"Messiah" is the Hebrew for "Anointed," who is David, the "Messiah of the God of Jacob," (2 Sam. 23:1,) King of Israel. "Christos" is the Greek for "Anointed," who is the Savior, it is said, of the Gentiles. We can clearly see, from the language in which originated these two different Messiahs, the first in and from the Hebrew mashiach, and the second from the Greek Christos, from whence they first had their rise; so whichever of the two was literally anointed, that, and that one only, can be the only True Messiah of God.
"Is it easier for heaven and earth to pass away than one jot or tittle of the Law to fail?" If so, the Law was fulfilled in the literal anointing of King David, which alone constituted him the Messiah, as David declared in 2 Sam. 23:1. "Now these be the words of David: David the son of Jesse, and the man who was raised up on high, the Anointed (the Messiah) of the God of Jacob, and the sweet Psalmist of Israel."Now I have not only proved that David was the Messiah, by the only act that can constitute any one the Anointed, but I shall now prove, that he will be Israel's King and Messiah at the Resurrection from the dead, as is declared in the 37th chap. of Ezekiel, and from many other places; and if so, who has any right to lay claim to David's Identity, as the Messiah, when we are assured by God's word and Holy Spirit, that he was a "man after God's own heart," (1 Sam. 13:14,) and that "his heart was perfect with the Lord his God." See 1 Kings 11:4. Most assuredly if this be true concerning David, he never transferred his Identity to any other person after him, as the Messiah of God, neither did he ever forfeit it.In the 37th chap. of Ezek. above alluded to, the prophet, after describing the literal Resurrection of the whole house of Israel in the first five verses, goes on in the 6th and says, "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord." In the 21st verse he says, "Thus saith the Lord God, Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel; and one King shall be King to them all, and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two Kingdoms any more at all; and David my servant shall be King over them--(not the Nazarene, for particularly mark, there is to be but ONE "King over them all,) and they shall all have ONE shepherd; they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes and do them."In the 34th chap. of the same prophet, it is declared in the 22d., 23d and 24th verses, "Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. And I will set up One Shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David, he shall feed them, and he shall be their Shepherd. And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it." Is it possible for language to be more clear and definite in declaring that David is to be Israel's King and Messiah in that day? This, however, is but a very small part of the Scripture testimony in favor of the coming in power of the Holy King, Priest, and Prophet, and Messiah of God, at the Resurrection from the dead.In the 30th Chapter of Jeremiah, 7th, 8th and 9th verses, it expressly and most positively declares the time when God will raise up David unto them. "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it, it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.""For it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, saith the Lord of Hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, (compare this with Isaiah 9:4 and 6, for this is the time when 'unto us a child is born,') and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their King (not Jesus), whom I will raise up unto them."Hosea 3:4 and 5, confirms David, and not another being Israel's King, for he says, "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a King, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim (as is now the case), afterward shall the children of Israel return and seek the Lord their God, and David their King, (whom Jeremiah has just said "God would raise up to them,") "and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days," and not 1800 years ago.Zech. 12:8, forever settles this most important question, and declares most clearly and plainly, that it is David: "In that day (when God 'saves the tents of Judah first,' see the verse before,) shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them." What then must David, their King, Prophet, Priest and Messiah, be?Psalm 16:9,10, taken in connection with the 18th chap. and 89th chap. 19-38 verses, throws all the necessary light required upon this most important question. The Psalm 16. 9th and 10th verses, reads thus: "Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices, my flesh shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thy 'Holy One' (see verses 19 and 20 of the 89. Psalm, who this 'Holy One' is, whether David or Jesus,) to see Corruption." I challenge the world to test the truth of this last assertion, by visiting the Tomb of David, where I have been, and then they will know whether David's Body has "seen corruption" or not. The Psalm, 18,* shows us not only the Who, but also the manner of the resurrection of David.David begins this Psalm by addressing God thus, "I will love Thee, O Lord, my strength. The Lord is my rock and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength in whom I trust; my buckler and the horn of my salvation, and my high Tower."I will call upon the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from my enemies. The sorrows of death compassed me and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid. The sorrows of hell (Hades or the Grave) compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me." Here we see David, after addressing God and calling upon him in the first three verses, then in the two last described his state in the Grave, compassed by the sorrows and snares of death, and them immediately in the next verse shows, that in this, his distress, he cried unto God, and he heard his voice out of his temple. He then shows immediately the manner in which he will come at his resurrection, and this he speaks of himself, in the first person, and not of any one else in the second person. Please mark this, "In my distress I called upon the Lord and cried unto my God; he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him even into his ears." Now for the manner and circumstances that will attend David's Resurrection and coming as follows: "Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he (God) was wroth." "There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it." "He bowed the heavens and came down, and darkness was under his feet." Now any unprepossessed and unprejudiced person can see that David is here speaking of God, and not of Jesus. So with what follows: "He bowed the heavens and came down, and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub and did fly, yea he rode upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place: his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.""At the brightness that was before him, his thick clouds passed hailstones and coals of fire. The Lord (Ad-nai) also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hailstones and coals of fire." Yea, "he sent out his arrows and scattered them, and he shot out lightnings and discomfited them." "Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the earth were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils." Now it will be admitted by all hands, that David has been speaking thus far of God in the second person, but now in the next verse he speaks of himself in the first person, and not of Jesus or of another in the second person.16. "He sent from above, he took me, (not him,) he drew me out of many waters.17. "He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me, for they were too strong for me.18. "They prevented me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my stay."19. "He brought me forth into a large place, he delivered me because he delighted in me.20. "The Lord rewarded me according to my Righteousness The above is a full declaration of the shame and confusion of the enemies to David's Messiahship, and of the joy and gladness of the friends to him and his righteous cause.We will now turn our attention to the 89th Psalm, 19 to 38th verse, where we will have a full proof not only of David's Messiahship, but also who is the "Holy One" mentioned in Psa. 16:10."For thou wilt not leave MY soul in hell, (i.e. Hades, or the Grave;) neither wilt thou suffer thy Holy One to see corruption," which last God has never suffered David to do, until this day, as facts prove. Psa. 89:19: "Then thou spoke in vision to thy Holy One, and said, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one Chosen (see 1 Sam. 16:6-14) out of the people."20. "I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: made him my Messiah (see 1 Sam. 16:12, 13.)21. "With whom my hand shall be established; mine arm shall strengthen him."22. "The enemy shall not exact upon him, nor the son of wickedness afflict him." Did not the enemy exact upon and afflict Jesus? Surely Christians say the enemy did.23. "And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him."24. "But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him; and in my name shall his horn be exalted."25. "I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers."26. "He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation."27. "I will make him my First Born, higher than the Kings of the earth."28. "My Mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him."29. "His seed also will I make to endure forever, and his throne as the days of heaven."30. "If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my Judgments;"31. "If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;"32. "Then I will visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquities with stripes."33. "Nevertheless my loving-kindness I will not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail." Is this the language of the Gospel? Nay verily, but it is the very language of the Law to Israel.34. "My Covenant will I not break, (for the Father's sake, ) nor alter the thing that has gone out of my lips:" see Jer. 33:20 and 21, and 31:35-38.35. "Once have I sworn by my holiness, that I will not lie unto David."36. "His seed shall endure forever, and his Throne as the Sun before me."37. "It shall be established forever as the Moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah."Now in this Psalm is a full and unconditional guarantee of the Messiahship from God to David, and that confirmed by the oath of God's holiness, unto David. See verse 36. That promise is not to be merely during the term of his natural life, and limited, and then broken off by death; it is true, it is suspended, or in abeyance while the "sorrows of Hades, or the grave, compass him, and the snares (or bands) of death prevent him." (see Psa. 18:5;) but his "voice will God hear in the morning, O Lord, in the morning (of the Resurrection) will I (he) direct his prayer unto God, and will look up." Psa. v. 3. Then will David's "seed endure forever, and his Throne as the sun before God." There is but one possible way to evade and destroy these promises of a Faithful, unchangeable God to David; and that is by the unwarrantable and unjustifiable transfer of David's person and name, that is, of his Identity, to Jesus of Nazareth, changing all the pronouns from the first to the second person--the I to the He, the my to his, me to him, and mine to thine. Permit me to ask, what property, title, or claim under heaven, could we not obtain by such a transfer in any court of justice? Only transfer the pronouns in any instrument from the first to the second person, and there is no claim that could be substantiated for a moment: it would be a complete forfeiture. But this I can prove from the Word of God, David never did, neither did God ever do it; as the above Psalm (the 89th) proves, and nearly all the other Psalms, particularly the 18th, where the Church of Rome first took the same small liberty of transferring David's Messiahship as King, Priest, and Prophet, to Jesus of Nazareth. This they have done, and Protestants too, by a single blow, by making a transfer of the first personal pronouns to the second person; thus effecting a complete change of David's Identity to Jesus. Are Christians aware of the dreadful dilemma they have brought themselves unavoidably into, of giving Jesus his own body and that of David's body too, and leaving poor David without any body at all? For all Identity is dependent upon our distinct Body, or Personality, and no other person dare claim it, or every Christian who transfers and robs David of his own Identity, or Personality, and makes it over to Jesus; no matter whether he does it by claiming his Identical personality or Individuality, or by transferring the first personal pronoun to the second, or by assuming David's name and applying it to Jesus, it carries its own condemnation in every act, upon the very face of it.I shall now, for the sake of elucidating, divide David's whole career into three parts, or segments of a circle, embracing his Life, Death, and Resurrection , and under each place some of the Psalms or prophecies which are alone applicable to David in that state. I will begin by introducing that beautiful and descriptive prophecy declared in 2d. Sam. 7:19, which I think was intended to grasp David's whole time in Life, Death, and Immortality, or in the Resurrection. He says as follows: "And this was yet a small thing in thy sight, O Lord God; but thou hast spoken also of thy servant's house, for a great while to come, I am aware that there are two or three texts in the prophets that at first sight, without a sufficient degree of thought and knowledge, tend to lead us to suppose, that because the word "Branch" is used, it will be a Son of David, and not David himself. But let us impartially and carefully examine the word "Branch," and see if it has not reference to the resurrection Body of David only, not to a Son of David. Look at Isa. 11:1--"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch from Jesse, we know is David; indeed the original implies, and as a very wise man observes, "it looks as if it were intended to intimate that the Tree itself would be cut down, or that the power of David's family would be for some time extinct, but it would revive in 'the Latter Days," or "Last Days." Now this is strictly true, and is exactly what I want to set forth, that in the Resurrection, the "Branch," or "Stem," or Shoot, from Jesse, the "root," from which is David, and which, although apparently "is cut down," or "for some time extinct, by Death," in "the Latter days" God would raise up that Glorious "Branch," or Stem, or Shoot, from the Root or Stem of Jesse; which will be the identical Body of David, in all the strength and beauty of the Resurrection Body. See Isa. 4:2.
Jer. 33:16, it is declared "He, David, shall be called the Lord our Righteousness;" and this is the righteous "Branch" that God will raise unto or "raise up" unto David, exactly the same word as is used by God through the mouth of the same Prophet, in chap. 30:9."And they shall serve the Lord their God and David their King, whom I will raise up unto them." Here then there can be no mistake who the "Branch" is that is to be "raised unto," or "raised up," to David, because we have God's own words for it.
Now here is an expression whereby we are certain it is David, that is, the "Branch," because we are assured in the 89th Psa. 35th and 36th verses, that God hath "once sworn by his holiness that he will not lie unto David," that "his seed shall endure forever, and," mark "His Throne as the sun before him." In the 18th verse of the 132d. Psalm God declares, "His enemies will I clothe with shame, but upon himself shall his crown flourish." O how blind have Christians been in permitting the sacrilege of the Church of Rome, in robbing David of his Crown by giving it to another.But if there were not another text, then the two I shall now quote from Zech. 12:8, and Ezek. 37:22 and 24, would be all-sufficient to prove, first, that David shall be the Messiah. "In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them; and 2dly, that after the resurrection of the Dry "Bones of the whole house of Israel," as is declared in verse 11, then in verse 22, it shows us who is to be King, and consequently whose is the Throne and upon whom the "Crown is to flourish;" and if so, it can never be transferred to another without sacrilege.Ezek. 37. 22d. and 24th verses." He did so, and mind, says I, "if you believe in the literal interpretation only, you must not spiritualize the Word David, nor Israel." He promised he would not. I then read to him these words, "And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and One King shall be King to them all, and they shall be no more two nations; neither shall they be divided into two Kingdoms (as is now the case) any more at all; And David my servant shall be King over them, and they shall have One Shepherd: and they shall walk in my judgments and observe my statutes, and do them." And this is the truth and the end thus far of the matter.
SHALOM ALEICHEM
MATTANIAH 3 Nov 2007

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