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July 12, 2009

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Gary Krupp

Dear Ms. Holliday,

In the interest of accuracy I wish to respond to some of your statements assuming they will be posted on your blog. You commented that the documentation titles on our Pius XII pages have been taking out of context, assuming you are fluent in both Italian and German, please send me any corrections and after we verify your translation, we will be happy to change the titles. I am also curious, what conclusion you came up with after you read the hundreds of original document we discovered.

Please allow me to further correct your statement of our intentions. We are not leading a campaign for the canonization of Pius XII, in fact we have suggested waiting on this until the archives covering the war years are open. We have however, suggested to the Vatican that they accelerate the cataloguing process of the estimated 31 million documents and the archives. They have listened to our suggestion and increased the personnel dealing with this arduous procedure, from 6 to 20. It is just 2 ½ years ago that the Archive personnel completed the cataloguing of the papacy of Pius XI, which, was immediately ordered open. Curiously, literally none of the Pius Critics or institutions has bothered to go to the archives to research this period up to 1939. (We have access to the sign in sheets)

You should change your statement to reflect that fact that we are endorsing the case for Eugenio Pacelli should be opened to be named “Righteous Among Nations” at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem. By the way many rather famous Jewish personalities agree with this nomination including Sir Martin Gilbert.

Since it is doubtful that you actually opened any of the documents you referred to, for your convenience I have added three links. Pease translate the Kaltenbrunner report:

http://www.pavethewayfoundation.org/Downloads/Gestapo%20report%20assasination.pdf

Check the translation of the General Karl Wolff Deposition:
http://www.pavethewayfoundation.org/Downloads/Wolff%20Affidavit.pdf

You may find this confidential US Foreign Service report Mar 3, 1939 of interest.

http://www.pavethewayfoundation.org/Downloads/US%20State%20Dept.%20ltr.pdf

My advice to you is that you should try to be more accurate in your statements, or you run the danger of being considered a bigot.

Gary Krupp

Vynette Holliday

Thank you for your comment, Mr. Krupp.

As one of Pope Pius XII's chief apologists, you are well aware that controversy over his conduct during World War Two is delaying the canonisation process.

It is disingenuous of you to suggest that your continuing stream of positive "revelations" about Pope Pius XII's wartime role do not contribute in very large measure to the cause for his canonisation.

Father Peter Gumpel S.J., the investigative judge of the cause for canonisation of Pope Pius XII, is reported to have said that persons such as yourself and your network of associates do contribute to the cause.

"...all the necessary documents for the beatification of Pope Pius XII had been gathered by the Vatican Congregation for Saints' Causes by 2004. Subsequent evaluations by historians, theologians and a panel of cardinals and bishops, he said, had resulted in the "enthusiastically positive" recommendation to proceed with the advancement of the beatification process." [The Catholic News Service http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0902843.htm]

You are advancing the cause for canonisation of Pope Pius XII regardless of your publicly stated aim of having this Pope declared as "Righteous among the Nations."

If Pius XII were to be declared by Yad Vashem as "Righteous as among the Nations" then it would clear the way for beatification, as you well know.

You challenged me to provide instances of misleading headlines on your website. Here is one such instance:

"Pius XII ordered the return of all Jewish children protected by Catholics after the war to any family members who could be found. An international controversy erroneously claimed that he ordered baptized children to be kept by their Catholic protectors. This PDF shows the original Vatican directive of September 28, 1946 and the mistranslated French document dated October 23, 1946, which caused the controversy."

Before we look at the document to which this headline points, it is necessary to provide a little background for our readers.

According to David Dalin,* Dr. Isaac Herzog, the chief Rabbi of Palestine, met with Pius XII on a Sunday early in March 1946 to seek the Pope's help in returning to the Jewish fold those Jewish children then being raise in monasteries and by Christian families. The Pope promised Herzog he would look into the situation and the Chief Rabbi "expressed his profound thanks," both for the Pope's promise and for the heroic work done by Pius and the Catholic Church to rescue and shelter Jews during the war.

The headline quoted above points to an English translation of a PDF document entitled Jewish Children. The "original Vatican directive" to which Pope Pius XII gave his approval on 28 March 1946 reads as follows:

"The Eminent Fathers decided that if possible, there should be no response to the request of the Grand Rabbi; in any event, if its necessary to say something, it should be done orally, given the danger of abuse and distortion of anything written from the Holy See on the subject.

"Eventually, it will be necessary to explain that the Church must do its own research and observations in order to discern case by case, it being evident that children who were baptized cannot be entrusted to institutions that can't guarantee their Christian education.

"Besides, also those children who were not baptized and who no longer have living relatives, having been entrusted to the Church, which has taken them under its care, as long as they are not able to decide for themselves, they cannot be abandoned by the Church or delivered to parties who have no right to them.

"Things would be different if the children were requested by their relatives.

"The decision of the Eminent Fathers and the criteria here presented were referred to the Holy Father in an audience of March 28, and His Holiness deigned to provide his august approval."

Much controversy has erupted over the difference between the "original Vatican directive" and the so-called "mistranslated French document." All parties to the controversy have seemed oblivious to the "elephant in the room" - the very first words of the "original."

Instead of providing evidence that "Pius XII ordered the return of all Jewish children protected by Catholics after the war to any family members who could be found" the "original Vatican directive" actually admonishes that, if possible, no information about Jewish children should be provided to the Chief Rabbi.

This directive in fact displays astonishing arrogance, pragmatism rather than morality, a profound contempt for the sufferings of the Jewish people, and demonstrates just how untrustworthy and hollow were Pius' public promises and assurances to Chief Rabbi Herzog.

Regardless of what may, or may not, have happened later to those Jewish children in question, Vatican intent at the time was to conceal, prevaricate, and equivocate.

I have no doubt that many of the Jewish statements of praise for Pope Pius XII that you feature on your website were based on similarly dishonest promises and assurances - truly a triumph of hope over experience.

Readers may download Jewish Children from the Pave The Way Foundation Pius XII Documents page http://www.pavethewayfoundation.org/Projects/Education/PPXII%20Document%20Page%20.htm and decide for themselves whether the headline is an accurate reflection of the document's content.

Mr. Krupp, your constant attempts to demonstrate that Pope Pius XII was against Hitler and Nazism are simply red herrings which serve to conceal the Pope's real concern which was to bolster and advocate a strong Christian Germany as the only possible bulwark against godless Bolshevism. Hitler and Nazism were merely incidental elements which could be embraced or rejected at will.

As I promised my readers in The Assassination Duet, in the next post we will see if another Pave the Way Foundation document is deserving of the credibility it has been afforded - the affidavit of SS General Karl Wolff regarding Hitler's plot to kidnap the Pope.

* David G. Dalin, The Myth of Hitler's Pope: Pope Pius XII and His Secret War Against Nazi Germany, Regnery Publishing, 2005, page 113.

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